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]]> By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/bigotry-in-the-uk-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4662 JackP Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:43:04 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/bigotry-in-the-uk-part-2/#comment-4662 Paul, I have to say, I'm still uncomfortable with the distinction being "organised religion". If bigots are in charge of religions, it will be bigoted. If tolerant people are in charge, it will be tolerant — and this will apply irrespective of how "organised" it is. I understand that there has been an awful amount of homophobia in the name of religion, but that still doesn't mean that religion is the problem: it's the intolerance and lack of understanding that is the problem. But you made the key point that I was trying to make so much better than I attempted: <blockquote>People shouldn’t be discriminated against just because of their beliefs but the important distinction is that they don’t have the right because of their beliefs to cause distress to others<cite>Paul Canning</cite></blockquote> Right on, brother. Paul,
I have to say, I’m still uncomfortable with the distinction being “organised religion”. If bigots are in charge of religions, it will be bigoted. If tolerant people are in charge, it will be tolerant — and this will apply irrespective of how “organised” it is.
I understand that there has been an awful amount of homophobia in the name of religion, but that still doesn’t mean that religion is the problem: it’s the intolerance and lack of understanding that is the problem.
But you made the key point that I was trying to make so much better than I attempted:

People shouldn’t be discriminated against just because of their beliefs but the important distinction is that they don’t have the right because of their beliefs to cause distress to othersPaul Canning

Right on, brother.

]]> By: paul canning http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/bigotry-in-the-uk-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4651 paul canning Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:48:28 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/bigotry-in-the-uk-part-2/#comment-4651 Hi Jack, thanks for picking up on my post. There's a link to Amnesty on my blog where people can do something to support the guy in El Salvador who Elton highlighted. About Elton's comments on religion, maybe you need to be gay to understand them? Fact is that religion is directly responsible for most homophobia in the world. In El Salvador, as in Poland, it's Roman Catholicism, in America it's evangelicals, in Russia it's orthodox, in all Muslim nations, it's Islam, in India it's Hinduism, in SE Asia it's buddhism, in China it's Taoism and Confusianism. On and On. I suppose the distinction is with organised religion - at the same time I have friends who are Christian yet not at all anti-gay. People shouldn't be discriminated against just because of their beliefs but the important distinction is that they don't have the right because of their beliefs to cause distress to others (a bit like S+M). It seems to me in the current debate about changing the law that this distinction is being lost in all the - funny these choices eh? - talk about children (adoption) and sex (sharing hotel rooms). cheers! Paul Hi Jack, thanks for picking up on my post. There’s a link to Amnesty on my blog where people can do something to support the guy in El Salvador who Elton highlighted.

About Elton’s comments on religion, maybe you need to be gay to understand them?

Fact is that religion is directly responsible for most homophobia in the world. In El Salvador, as in Poland, it’s Roman Catholicism, in America it’s evangelicals, in Russia it’s orthodox, in all Muslim nations, it’s Islam, in India it’s Hinduism, in SE Asia it’s buddhism, in China it’s Taoism and Confusianism. On and On.

I suppose the distinction is with organised religion – at the same time I have friends who are Christian yet not at all anti-gay.

People shouldn’t be discriminated against just because of their beliefs but the important distinction is that they don’t have the right because of their beliefs to cause distress to others (a bit like S+M).

It seems to me in the current debate about changing the law that this distinction is being lost in all the – funny these choices eh? – talk about children (adoption) and sex (sharing hotel rooms).

cheers!

Paul

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