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	<title>Comments on: Accessibility: Making it all worthwhile</title>
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		<title>By: shane&#8217;s personal blog and podcast &#187; Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday, October 25, 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20383</link>
		<dc:creator>shane&#8217;s personal blog and podcast &#187; Top Tech Tidbits for Thursday, October 25, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Network for this blog post explaining in human terms why web accessibility is a good idea. www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/ 3) Jamal Mazrui&#8217;s latest project is a programmer&#8217;s tool called IronCOM, which allows [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Network for this blog post explaining in human terms why web accessibility is a good idea. <a href="http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/</a> 3) Jamal Mazrui&#8217;s latest project is a programmer&#8217;s tool called IronCOM, which allows [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20344</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would make it all worthwhile for me is to hear from a user of my co.&#039;s site.  We all agree here that accessibility is good, but it&#039;s hard to justify spending great amounts of time when we&#039;ve never had any request for more/better or any thanks for what we already do...is it really helping anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would make it all worthwhile for me is to hear from a user of my co.&#8217;s site.  We all agree here that accessibility is good, but it&#8217;s hard to justify spending great amounts of time when we&#8217;ve never had any request for more/better or any thanks for what we already do&#8230;is it really helping anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Comden</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20197</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Comden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that. Sometimes I feel like I&#039;m banging my head against walls trying to get developers to pay attention to accessibility. Good to have some affirmation that what we&#039;re doing really does matter to real people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that. Sometimes I feel like I&#8217;m banging my head against walls trying to get developers to pay attention to accessibility. Good to have some affirmation that what we&#8217;re doing really does matter to real people.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mabbett</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20191</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Mabbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve said before: I don&#039;t know anyone who can guarantee that they won&#039;t have a disability tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve said before: I don&#8217;t know anyone who can guarantee that they won&#8217;t have a disability tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mason</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20140</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/applause/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/applause/</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20136</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a good (Monday) read Jack. I&#039;m definitely the troublemaker at work when senior managers don&#039;t see the need for an accessible Intranet, for example. Being reminded of who we&#039;re actually working for with real-life examples certainly helps to keep on going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a good (Monday) read Jack. I&#8217;m definitely the troublemaker at work when senior managers don&#8217;t see the need for an accessible Intranet, for example. Being reminded of who we&#8217;re actually working for with real-life examples certainly helps to keep on going.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb Crump</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20031</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb Crump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m totally with you on the concerns about other&#039;s perceptions of you. 

I&#039;ve recently changed jobs; I&#039;m no longer on the front-line and having to tell people they can&#039;t do that and it&#039;s a great relief. I&#039;m also glad that I can take a break from the argumentative world of accessibility - or at least I feel and be far more selective about what I choose to be involved with, rather than it being my job to try and get involved with everything.

Liz Ball&#039;s article is interesting and I shall certainly keep it my arsenal of links to send people who don&#039;t get why it&#039;s important. It is, however, not the answer for every situation (of course, and there is no reason it should be). The frustration and difficulty I find is arguments like &quot;blind people can&#039;t join the [armed forces or similar career], so none of that matter, we don&#039;t have to be accessible&quot;, ie. people like Liz are not in the target audience and therefore accessibility is not relevant. The counter argument I, and others I&#039;m sure, trot out is the &quot;right to everyone to access the information&quot;, seems a little tired. 

I think the main problem is the lack of understanding or appreciation about &quot;reasonableness&quot;. Personally I try to take the middle link and posit that it is not necessarily appropriate that everything is totally accessible. This has been even more difficult though; I sometime feel like being persecuted from both sides (rather like I understand bisexuals are).

I should probably stop ranting now before I start getting into a dozen examples - perhaps you&#039;re right Jack I need my own blog, but I&#039;m trying to get away from the accessibility debate for the moment. Hmmm, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s going to happen somehow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally with you on the concerns about other&#8217;s perceptions of you. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently changed jobs; I&#8217;m no longer on the front-line and having to tell people they can&#8217;t do that and it&#8217;s a great relief. I&#8217;m also glad that I can take a break from the argumentative world of accessibility &#8211; or at least I feel and be far more selective about what I choose to be involved with, rather than it being my job to try and get involved with everything.</p>
<p>Liz Ball&#8217;s article is interesting and I shall certainly keep it my arsenal of links to send people who don&#8217;t get why it&#8217;s important. It is, however, not the answer for every situation (of course, and there is no reason it should be). The frustration and difficulty I find is arguments like &#8220;blind people can&#8217;t join the [armed forces or similar career], so none of that matter, we don&#8217;t have to be accessible&#8221;, ie. people like Liz are not in the target audience and therefore accessibility is not relevant. The counter argument I, and others I&#8217;m sure, trot out is the &#8220;right to everyone to access the information&#8221;, seems a little tired. </p>
<p>I think the main problem is the lack of understanding or appreciation about &#8220;reasonableness&#8221;. Personally I try to take the middle link and posit that it is not necessarily appropriate that everything is totally accessible. This has been even more difficult though; I sometime feel like being persecuted from both sides (rather like I understand bisexuals are).</p>
<p>I should probably stop ranting now before I start getting into a dozen examples &#8211; perhaps you&#8217;re right Jack I need my own blog, but I&#8217;m trying to get away from the accessibility debate for the moment. Hmmm, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to happen somehow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Benson</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20026</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where I work, I am slowly getting e-mails to the effect of you&#039;re that guy who knows accessibility stuff right? A few years ago I felt like the trouble maker, still do sometimes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I work, I am slowly getting e-mails to the effect of you&#8217;re that guy who knows accessibility stuff right? A few years ago I felt like the trouble maker, still do sometimes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cherim</title>
		<link>http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200710/accessibility-making-it-all-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-20015</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cherim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like some zealot or troublemaker. Sigh. That&#039;s how it feels sometimes. The masses can&#039;t be bothered, and God help you if you bring it up in mixed company. It&#039;s not easy wearing a white hat. Thanks for posting this Jack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like some zealot or troublemaker. Sigh. That&#8217;s how it feels sometimes. The masses can&#8217;t be bothered, and God help you if you bring it up in mixed company. It&#8217;s not easy wearing a white hat. Thanks for posting this Jack.</p>
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