Comments on: Designing For Dyslexia http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/ ranting and rambling to anyone willing to listen Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:34:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: garment news daily http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-152358 garment news daily Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:31:43 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-152358 <strong>Visitor recommendations...</strong> [...]one of our visitors recently recommended the following website[...]…... Visitor recommendations…

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By: Monique http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-56153 Monique Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:33:11 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-56153 Hi, I'am dyslexic and I confirm that all that items cause difficulties for me. I would add the spaces between letters and words too poorly differentiated as well as a text too dense (spaces between the lines) or too long. Best regards, Monique Hi,

I’am dyslexic and I confirm that all that items cause difficulties for me.

I would add the spaces between letters and words too poorly differentiated as well as a text too dense (spaces between the lines) or too long.

Best regards,
Monique

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-43280 JackP Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:38:59 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-43280 Terry, it rather depends on what the situation is. If you are designing a site for the general public, you may wish to take on board less of these measures than if you were designing a site specifically <em>for</em> dyslexic users. Yes, it's a benefit if people know how to change their browser configurations -- that's why a lot of organisations point people at stuff like <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/" rel="nofollow">My Web, My Way</a>. However, legislation <em>is</em> necessary. You can only reach so many people with the carrot; the stick is necessary for those who would not otherwise comply, and allows for redress for disabled people who have been discriminated against on the grounds of their disability (and there is an awful lot more to the DDA than 'the internet', in fact it is mentioned very little). Terry,
it rather depends on what the situation is.

If you are designing a site for the general public, you may wish to take on board less of these measures than if you were designing a site specifically for dyslexic users.

Yes, it’s a benefit if people know how to change their browser configurations — that’s why a lot of organisations point people at stuff like My Web, My Way.

However, legislation is necessary. You can only reach so many people with the carrot; the stick is necessary for those who would not otherwise comply, and allows for redress for disabled people who have been discriminated against on the grounds of their disability (and there is an awful lot more to the DDA than ‘the internet’, in fact it is mentioned very little).

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By: Terry Ball http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-43272 Terry Ball Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:39:05 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-43272 Because dyslexics have such a difficult time deciphering text, and they all seem to have their own idiosyncracies (some like this font, some like that; others need a pastel background, others prefer grey, etc), surely the pressure groups that have lobbied for the DDA legislation would have been better advised spending their time and resources in actually training dyslexics to set the preferences of a web browser so that web pages are rendered according to their particular needs, perhaps even training them to create their own style sheets that can be use to override the styling of any particular web site that is not to their liking? Because dyslexics have such a difficult time deciphering text, and they all seem to have their own idiosyncracies (some like this font, some like that; others need a pastel background, others prefer grey, etc), surely the pressure groups that have lobbied for the DDA legislation would have been better advised spending their time and resources in actually training dyslexics to set the preferences of a web browser so that web pages are rendered according to their particular needs, perhaps even training them to create their own style sheets that can be use to override the styling of any particular web site that is not to their liking?

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By: David Hamill http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-41505 David Hamill Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:24:29 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-41505 Comic Sans is ugly but a good font for some dyslexics. This is because it is fatter than Arial and Verdana. I prefer to provide the ability to change font and colours. This allows you to provide some pretty yucky settings that may not look great but could be pretty helpful to dyslexics. I also recommend providing the option clearlt and behind a 'trigger word' link. On my own site I use "Change colors and fonts". This is because it links with what the dyslexic user wants to do. In my view it's a lot better than hiding it in an accessibility page that nobody reads. I deliberately use the American spelling of colour as it is more phonetic. Comic Sans is ugly but a good font for some dyslexics. This is because it is fatter than Arial and Verdana. I prefer to provide the ability to change font and colours. This allows you to provide some pretty yucky settings that may not look great but could be pretty helpful to dyslexics.

I also recommend providing the option clearlt and behind a ‘trigger word’ link. On my own site I use “Change colors and fonts”. This is because it links with what the dyslexic user wants to do. In my view it’s a lot better than hiding it in an accessibility page that nobody reads. I deliberately use the American spelling of colour as it is more phonetic.

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By: Mary http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-24475 Mary Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:19:24 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-24475 Not only do the Dyslexia Association recommend Comic Sans, but in the PTLLS teacher-training course, which I've just finished, Comic Sans is recommended for all visual aids and handouts. It might not be your personal taste, but that shouldn't really take precedence over inclusiveness. Not only do the Dyslexia Association recommend Comic Sans, but in the PTLLS teacher-training course, which I’ve just finished, Comic Sans is recommended for all visual aids and handouts. It might not be your personal taste, but that shouldn’t really take precedence over inclusiveness.

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By: phil http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-4693 phil Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:54:25 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-4693 "Re italics, there are a great many ‘proper’ uses of English, which are adverse in their effect upon the the fluentcy, of acquisition, of text-based content. Like the sentence I just wrote. " Apart from the fact I made some mistakes of course :) So not exactly proper. Bordering on irony there... But I hope you get my point. “Re italics, there are a great many ‘proper’ uses of English, which are adverse in their effect upon the the fluentcy, of acquisition, of text-based content. Like the sentence I just wrote. ”

Apart from the fact I made some mistakes of course :) So not exactly proper. Bordering on irony there… But I hope you get my point.

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By: phil http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-4670 phil Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:25:50 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-4670 Sorry Joe, but your wrong, and Jack's right. Italics should be avoided, and for good reason. And Comic Sans may not suit many sites, but its readability is excellent. Re italics, there are a great many 'proper' uses of English, which are adverse in their effect upon the the fluentcy, of acquisition, of text-based content. Like the sentence I just wrote. Avoiding unecessary barriers to access, including for those with cognitive differences/difficulties, is incredibly important. If I'm confronted with a large page of text, most of which is in italics, the chances are I'll not stop to read it without A.T. handy. I'm typical of ~10% of the population. You can signify that content is quoted by useing quotes. Styleing it in a div. Changing its colour and tone and lableing it as such. Putting it in a cite tag, etc... No need to take up a page with inaccessible text. I'm not clear on the current legal status of dyslexia in the States and Canada but in the UK its covered by the DDA, and as such making such accomodations is not just good business sense (10% is a big chunk of a market to spurn), or a moral standing, its a legal consideration to be made also. (I'm dyslexic and have worked in the field for ~10 years) Sorry Joe, but your wrong, and Jack’s right. Italics should be avoided, and for good reason. And Comic Sans may not suit many sites, but its readability is excellent.

Re italics, there are a great many ‘proper’ uses of English, which are adverse in their effect upon the the fluentcy, of acquisition, of text-based content. Like the sentence I just wrote. Avoiding unecessary barriers to access, including for those with cognitive differences/difficulties, is incredibly important.

If I’m confronted with a large page of text, most of which is in italics, the chances are I’ll not stop to read it without A.T. handy. I’m typical of ~10% of the population. You can signify that content is quoted by useing quotes. Styleing it in a div. Changing its colour and tone and lableing it as such. Putting it in a cite tag, etc… No need to take up a page with inaccessible text. I’m not clear on the current legal status of dyslexia in the States and Canada but in the UK its covered by the DDA, and as such making such accomodations is not just good business sense (10% is a big chunk of a market to spurn), or a moral standing, its a legal consideration to be made also. (I’m dyslexic and have worked in the field for ~10 years)

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-4669 JackP Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:01:37 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-4669 I've asked a web designer I know with dyslexia to review this list for me and he has kindly provided <a href="http://www.chatterblogs.net/phil/jack-pickards-list-dealing-dyslexia" rel="nofollow">his comments on my designing for dyslexia article</a>. Thanks for that, Phil :-) I’ve asked a web designer I know with dyslexia to review this list for me and he has kindly provided his comments on my designing for dyslexia article. Thanks for that, Phil :-)

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By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/comment-page-1/#comment-4668 JackP Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:48:07 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200512/designing-for-dyslexia/#comment-4668 I didn't say <em>don't</em> use italics. I said avoid them. Frequently, italicised text is more difficult to read. Highlighting words (such as if you use <code><em></code> on this site), or following typographic conventions (for example the names of ships) is less of a problem than whole paragraphs in italics. And why don't you like Comic Sans? I don't particularly like it on web pages, but that's more because I don't like the look of it. I have seen it used on pages written by dyslexics, with it being recommended as a clear font (unfortunately as this post is about 15 months old I can't remember where). If there are accessibility — rather than personal preference — reasons for not using it, let me know and I'll update the article. [Edit: don't think this was the original location, but the British Dyslexia Association don't seem to have a problem with Comic Sans: <blockquote>Select sans serif fonts such as Arial or Comic Sans.<cite><a href="http://www.bdadyslexia.org.uk/extra352.html#hints" rel="nofollow">British Dyslexia Association</a></cite></blockquote> …although this is a general reference, rather than a "specifically for the web" one] I didn’t say don’t use italics. I said avoid them. Frequently, italicised text is more difficult to read. Highlighting words (such as if you use <em> on this site), or following typographic conventions (for example the names of ships) is less of a problem than whole paragraphs in italics.

And why don’t you like Comic Sans? I don’t particularly like it on web pages, but that’s more because I don’t like the look of it. I have seen it used on pages written by dyslexics, with it being recommended as a clear font (unfortunately as this post is about 15 months old I can’t remember where). If there are accessibility — rather than personal preference — reasons for not using it, let me know and I’ll update the article.

[Edit: don't think this was the original location, but the British Dyslexia Association don't seem to have a problem with Comic Sans:

Select sans serif fonts such as Arial or Comic Sans.British Dyslexia Association

…although this is a general reference, rather than a "specifically for the web" one]

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