Comments on: WCAG 2.0, Validity and The Holy Trinity http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/ standards, accessibility, and ranting and general stuff by the web chemist Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:54:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: JackP http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-6811 JackP Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:46:07 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-6811 Perhaps "according to specification" then, rather than using the word "validity". Flash and PDF presumably having specifications of some sort… Unambigous parsing is certainly a step <strong>towards</strong> that, but I don't think it's enough — and it looks like the working group agree with me, as they've made 4.1.1 stronger than just 'unambiguous parsing' — albeit not quite as much as I would have liked. Perhaps “according to specification” then, rather than using the word “validity”. Flash and PDF presumably having specifications of some sort…

Unambigous parsing is certainly a step towards that, but I don’t think it’s enough — and it looks like the working group agree with me, as they’ve made 4.1.1 stronger than just ‘unambiguous parsing’ — albeit not quite as much as I would have liked.

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By: Isofarro http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-6805 Isofarro Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:53:21 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-6805 "Validity is a concept that, whilst related to universality, if not achieved may result in accessibility problems with a particular user agent" Validity only has a defined meaning when the content is described in HTML. For example, what's valid Flash, valid PDF or a valid Excel Spreadsheet, a valid Windows Media movie, a valid MP3 soundtrack? There isn't anything relevant or realistic. But if you take the approach of non-ambigious, that is a concept that translates usefully into content other than HTML. Validity could mean something in largely text markup formats, but nothing in the realm of binary-encoded content. Yet unambigiously parsed means something in all of them. The advantage of unambigiously parsed formats is that they are open to be easier repurposed - and that's a key feature to making content accessible. “Validity is a concept that, whilst related to universality, if not achieved may result in accessibility problems with a particular user agent”

Validity only has a defined meaning when the content is described in HTML. For example, what’s valid Flash, valid PDF or a valid Excel Spreadsheet, a valid Windows Media movie, a valid MP3 soundtrack? There isn’t anything relevant or realistic. But if you take the approach of non-ambigious, that is a concept that translates usefully into content other than HTML. Validity could mean something in largely text markup formats, but nothing in the realm of binary-encoded content. Yet unambigiously parsed means something in all of them.

The advantage of unambigiously parsed formats is that they are open to be easier repurposed - and that’s a key feature to making content accessible.

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By: OPC Toolbox » Blog Archive » WCAG 2.0, Validity and The Holy Trinity http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-5274 OPC Toolbox » Blog Archive » WCAG 2.0, Validity and The Holy Trinity Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:49:51 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-5274 [...] strong argument for the importance of validation. WCAG 2 may just address the [...] [...] strong argument for the importance of validation. WCAG 2 may just address the [...]

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By: Joe Dolson http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-4671 Joe Dolson Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:57:51 +0000 http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/200703/wcag-20-validity-and-the-holy-trinity/#comment-4671 Amen. That simple fact that matching to a published grammar will allow future user agents to identify the rules a site was developed according to is hugely valuable. It may be possible to design a website which is accessible today without validation; but without that formalized grammar, who knows how that same website might be viewed in 10 years. Perhaps many technologist types tend to assume that any given site will be re-developed and re-designed to make use of modern technologies; and that it's therefore only necessary to develop for the technology of the moment, but it seems more reasonable to me to assume the opposite. Amen. That simple fact that matching to a published grammar will allow future user agents to identify the rules a site was developed according to is hugely valuable. It may be possible to design a website which is accessible today without validation; but without that formalized grammar, who knows how that same website might be viewed in 10 years.

Perhaps many technologist types tend to assume that any given site will be re-developed and re-designed to make use of modern technologies; and that it’s therefore only necessary to develop for the technology of the moment, but it seems more reasonable to me to assume the opposite.

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